All Samples Are NOT Cleared

Well, I think you know my opinion on the matter…..

i think what you do is great.
it helps people like me understand hip hop better
and gives a history lesson at the same time.
Since im only 17 most of the samples used, i have
never heard in my life so your work introduces me
to many new artist and songs

thanks for everything you do.

and i agree that I love being schooled on classic songs that I never heard before

I agree with everything. With every sample I listen to, I admire and respect every great producer out there. Not forget the true hip-hop and the real soul music nostalgia you guys are giving us, when the garbage is growing. This is just f-n bullshit, he probably got an huuuge ego or something, my view has really changed on Madlib. The songs aren’t his, for crying out loud!

I think his request is pretty ridiculous. As has already been noted, these songs aren’t even his, so I don’t understand how he can really justify making the request in the first place.

My stance on these issues is relatively consolidated. Through sharing knowledge of music it can only serve to make people push harder and make better music. For the artists who originally wrote the songs that have subsequently been sampled it can only be a blessing: in the last month alone I’ve bought 10s of CDs from musicians and groups that I never would have previously bought had the internet not provided me with such an effective resource for discovering the sample sources in the first place.

If he’s scared that we’re ‘letting the cat out the bag’ then it should motivate him to not rest on his laurels, not enrage him that he is in someway being cheated.

Not an issue with me. I actually still by CD’s!! Go figure.

Quas.. Sharing is Caring.. Posting samples is like free promotion.. Those who are going to pay for your music and go to your show will always pay for your music and go to your shows. I hate when people say sharing hurts artist.. Look at programs like Adobe Photoshop, with out wide spread sharing it would have never become a standard. Don’t like that example? How about this.. Nine inch nails released an album last week (GHOST, On there own no, label), the album is almost 2 hours / 36 instrumental tracks described as “music for daydreams.” Available as a $5 download, or a FREE album-length download, as well as a variety of physical configurations. NIN Made 1.6mill on that free album in a week.. Hurting Hip Hop? Kevin I think your doing a service to hip hop/sample junkies everywhere.

On top of that people who listen to these samples are usually sample junkies/ hip-hop heads/ producers, its such a small niche, who are we hurting?

This is how the internet works.. If it comes down from here its gonna go up somewhere else.

If you want that nin album check out there site http://www.nin.com they have also released the tracks in garage band format so you can remix them your self at remix.nin.com

I read that post and just started typing so that rant is probably riddled with grammatical errors. If so MY BAD.

LOL, at some of these responses. Most of the samples that were dug up were from people who decided “Hey let’s tell the world what samples were used on this track”.

Am sure 99% of the reason for his request was legal issues since the owners of the originals can easy sue him since they weren’t cleared. AND 1% because he doesn’t want the common listener to know what he used. It’s better for Madlib if they found out from him instead of a random post online.

I definitely understand him for doing what he did, I would do the same. Back then this wasn’t a problem because everyone didn’t have easy access to know such things as ‘what sample was use for this” and thus forth.

DON’T YOU STOP DON’T STOP PLEEEEEEAAAAAAASE YOU ARE DOING A GREAT SERVICE. THIS IS AN EXSTENTION OF THE LOVE OF HIP HOP. THIS IS ONE OF THE REALEST MOVEMENTS TO DATE. THAT GOES FOR ALL THE SIGHTS THATS DOING IT. IT’S THAT LITTLE BREATHE THAT KEEPS HIP HOP OFF THE RESPARATER. I BELIEVE IN KEEPING THINGS ESOTERIC BUT IF YOU KEEP THINGS TO SECRET IT WILL WIPE ITSELF OUT OF HISTORY. LOOK WHAT HAPPENED WITH BETA AND VHS: SONY WAS STINGY AND DIDN’T WANT TO SHARE THE TECHNOLOGY AND VHS DID. Look who’s still standing. r

Yo man.. as alot of people have already said, the things you do are simply amazing. Being an 18 year old kid, im learning things that i could never learn without your (and the other few blogs doing this) blog. Not only amazing I learning much more about the artist / producer themselvers and how its made, im learning alot about music in general!

On the other hand, i can obviously see for copywrite reasons why some artist wouldn’t want there shit out there..

I don’t see what problems would be if it was older albums tho.. ya know.. the 90 albums 80 albums etc.

but whatever you guys do im down with, youve already taught me a ton of things. a ton of GOOD things.

peace out fam

No disrespect but if you haven’t cleared your samples, whose problem is that? As an artist it is YOUR main responsibility to reference all works from which you sample. I am a writer and imagine if I were to be upset because someone knew I referenced a specific author without citing them and they decided to post it, not as a siren but as a tribute. Kevin you are greatly enhancing my knowledge and appreciation for hip hop. I love what you do and people need to know their ROOTS! You have my support!

Yo,On the real….no disrespect but post that shit back up…jus dont put the cover or they name wit it.I ve been listening to doom since KMD’s first release…better yet since they were featured through 3rd Bass.
We all love hip hop…i know i do…its something about hearing a hot track that makes you wanna find the original sample and enjoy it for what it really is.I aint gonna front;alot of people download these sets to sample themselves so they aint gotta get they fingers dirty in the hunt…fuck that!….Others like me that make beats like to listen to good music and really learn more about the original artist.
Damn near all of the songs in each set that you have here….i already have on vinyl…im jus to lazy to make mp3′s….why they trippin?

I gotta agree with the few who said they understand Madlib’s point. Of course it’s great to discover that old funk soul jazz through rap and sampling, but how many of y’all can tell me that this has meant for them buying hundreds of old school records and not just act like they know? It doesn’t help a wayback artist much if people say they “discovered” his music through rap and in fact they know jack shit.

Also, most of y’all forget that Madlib tries to keep his samples as obscure as possible, so he don’t need to pay for the^m. As some of you said, the internet has everything to offer and eveybody can use it, which means that some record company punk or even a sampled artist himself can come across the information and file a lawsuit. Many producers have become crap because they saw themselves kinda forced to let go of sampling (why do you think the “golden era” ended?)…

I mean, mad respect to Kev for this whole thing, but I think it should be something kept between a chosen few and not displayed on a forum with mad international kudos like this one.

And whether this is good for hip hop… I don’t know, I don’t see necessarily it advancing through this. I can just recall the one and only DJ Premier on a record blasting people who make that kinda information accesible. So Kev, if you really plannin to do a Gang Starr set, watch out for Preemo…

i did a write up few days ago biggin’ up kevin & his people on the wook they do in putting these collections together. fr Madlib to make that request is a bit arrogant since e owns none of them. But he is only trying to protect his livelyhood. The problem is he’s only hutrting hiself. These sampl collections only give the producers more shine in the long run & don’t forget the majority of people who d/l’d the originals haven’t even left a comment. it touches alot morepeople than we relise. Then some of them will post em on other blogs & tell their people & it’s all giving Lib more shine I think that lib quite simply doesn’t want the competition, period. I can’t believe he did that. But then again stones throw as a label haven’t exactly ben the bloggers friend now have they

MADlib is acting like a lil hoe. those samples are not his to say what to do with them..you should repost them..remember madlib, like pete rock says “its not if someone has used the sample before its how you flip it”

Your original sample sets have opened me up to a lot of new music. Being a producer myself, it helps to know where other producers found their inspirations. The majority of your sample sets are from big name artists who have the budget to CLEAR THEIR SAMPLES. That’s probably why Quas didn’t want his stuff out there cause they aren’t cleared and doesn’t want to anybody to find out. With obscure music samples, the likelyhood of the originator or the copyright holder finding out is almost at zero. So if you don’t clear the sample, its not really gonna hurt the producer. But with the sample sets popping up on the net and spreading around, it may raise a red flag and hurt the producer(thats if he didn’t clear the sample). That’s just my two cents.

But big name, big budget artists like Jay don’t give a shit cause he already paid for the right to use the music. You’re just helping everybody out by letting us know the source. So keep doing your thing Kev.

Old Fool,

Youre not the only one who has ‘insight’ into the music industry. Dont act like its some big secret regarding how difficult it is to clear a sample. Its not that hard to find out. Insight means nothing, period… You can know all the little details you want but if you dont have the money to make the shit happen then youre not going anywhere…

If Madlib has legal issues then he shouldnt have sampled the shit without clearing them.. He knows the rules.. If you dont clear samples then youre taking a risk.. Its that simple!

Besides if these ‘labels’ wanted to sue him on clearance issues they would need more than just some internet blogging site. The internet is no burden of proof. Just because it was said, doesnt mean its true.

the last 2 comments are very valid points & my view keeps changing slightl everytime i catch up on these comments. I’m now at the point somewhere between Madlib made his bed so he’s gotta lie in it & he;s trying to make a living.

as for someone having insight. i’m still waiting for whatever it is that you know that we don’t.

The reason why madlib is trippin cause he doesnt want anyone to know what songs he sampled for that album.Thats what diggers do we dig,we find and we make. A good percentage of producers dont wanna give up there finds for example this cat went all the way to brazil to cop some of these records how often do people do that?? anyways.He aint doin it to tell everyone in blogger land what he found he wants us to sit back and be like DAM! where he get that from! also these samples are not cleared and he can still get in trouble.Givin out the samples kinda takes away the fun of listening to the album and then the new-jack producers that dont know any better are gonna re-use the samples like theres no tommorow.I dont like tellin people where i get my samples from especially drums GO OUT AND FIND YOUR OWN SAMPLES INSPIRE DIGGERS TO KEEP DIGGING

Yes re-title it All Samples Are NOT Cleared !!

i can understand Madlib’s point in asking that they be removed. he’s not a big time producer who has millions of dollars, who can afford (whether in the front or in the back end on his contract negotiations) the cost of clearing the records he uses. it’s not as bad to do a sample set on Jay-Z, Nas, Biggie, etc. (mind you, there are samples sets compiled from these artist already) because the issue of clearances where already dealt with in their contract negotiations and, in addition to, yielding the income for both the artist themselves and the label to profit after clearance fees where paid, amongst other fees. copyright laws where more lenient than in recent years.

I think it’s safe to say madlib’s dealings are not as complex. if the artist/lables/publishing companies where to learn of Madlib using their material without permission, both Madlib and his label could suffer severe loss. possibly a loss that they couldn’t recover from.
so because of listing his original sources directly related to Madlib is worth that loss?
based on comments of how people come to this site to “discover” the origins of a producer’s work, proves that you wouldn’t have heard them in the first place if that producer didn’t use them (unless you’re digging for yourself and found the original records already..and this site is just a means of convenience)

not connecting Madlib to the original sources and if it where random sources used by different people wouldn’t be as bad…etc. example: dustyfingers comps.

so not only would you not have “discovered” the original songs, but, if the worst scenario where to play out, you wouldn’t hear Madlib records anymore(not sample-based anyway), you would not have the luxury of hearing some dope samples to go look for.

No one owns samples, or the records..true..but to take it a step further, no one owns the rights to the original artists’ music except the artist/label/publishing company.

i’ve seen blogs where people have posted original records from an artist (not a hiphop artist), and was contacted to have there material removed, or face legal action. needless to say they removed the material.

how would you, as an individual and/or artist with no label, no financial backing, feel if the artist who original made the piece you sampled from contacted you about using their material without proper permission(even if you bought the original record?…(read the copyright info on the back at the bottom of the cover)

don’t think for two seconds that one of the artist who created the original pieces couldn’t have contacted Kev, instead of Madlib, about making their songs available for free download without permission. i believe the conversation would be different. let Kev resist and get hit with a lawsuit, guess what?…bye bye “this is Hip Hop” blog and website.

in essence we’re in no different a position as Madlib in terms of these records, the risk of sampling, or using them for whatever reason, without proper permission from the artist, label, publishing companies.

label, and publishing companies don’t care how music is used, or if it’s even good or not. their only concern is how much money they can possibly get from the artist and from the consumer.

so if you’re gettin the original sources for free, and using them however (whether to sample or just share with others)without permission, how are we any different from Madlib using them (at least he found and purchased the record)

if we respect Madlib’s work, and Kev willingness to share, we should also respect Madlib when he request not to have his sources revealed, and respect Kev when he honors that request.

it’s interesting how some people will honor a producer/artist for using dope samples, who’s not bound by the commercial stereotypes and preferences. and at the same time..say “so what..who’s problem is that” when he ask that his sources not be revealed and attached to him, for any other reason than it poses legal repercussions to his works that you admire so much.

if that’s the case, don’t come to the site and have these sources hand fed to you..hit the record stores, pawnshops, swap meets, garage sales, and dig for the original records yourselves….that’s what Madlib does. trust, it’s more satisfying too.

Peace.

Kev, you still can post them up, just don’t mention anything Madvillian related. Just be creative with it and Madlib can’t do anything about it.

xpgno don’t rub it in!!!!

please email me @ amok525[AT]gmail.com

LOL how ridiculous. There are quite a few of Madlib’s samples on the dusty fingers compilation. A lot of the songs he sampled arent that much different than the songs he made using the samples. I love madlib, dont get me wrong, but hes not as creative as many producers out there. J DILLA, Pete Rock, Premier, being a few.

Damn, so many people respondin to this sampling issue… wouldn’t it be nice if they all checked the remix competition so we could have more voters…

sampling is stealing..i heard stonesthrow got its riches from not paying artist and samples….somebody needs to investigate

One of things i love about Hip Hop is the fact that it samples old songs from all genres, and when i hear a Hip Hop tune that makes me nod my head like a person with parkinson’s trying to bob for apples i wanna know where that original break / sample / vocal sample has come from. And 9 times out of 10 i become a fan of that artist too! and then i back track and start buying more music from the sampled artist. There seems to be more and more artist making their own beats and that’s why Hip Hop has got so shit!

There…i’ve said it!

LOL, XXLmag, nice. Your blog getting MAD visitors now, PROPS!

Hey somebody send me the set at evildeadrecordz@yahoo.com
I will change the name and post them. I think Madlib forgets what its like for the Have nots-the underprivledged. We can’t travel cross country to record stores, some of us don’t even have a record store in our city. Does not mean we should not have access to good music.

stones throw is just a bunch of hoes.

Can anyone post all 76 or 78 or send me a link at evildeadrecordz@yahoo.com ??
Thank you !!

I just found the original samples its leak all over the web all you need is google I’ve seen it posted on like 5 other websites.

Nah….thats that bullshit. Dude forget when people like Rick James and Nile Rodgers was on tv calling rappers out for ‘stealing’ their music. He forget they had to make a living too. And when it came to their music they didn’t want rappers using it at all….so how can we honor his requests and not honor the requests of the original artists? Tell his ass to go and ask every artist he samples if he can use their tracks…Not the company but the actual artists themselves. Matter of fact tell his ass to come out of his pocket to use their tracks. I don’t mean to be harsh but some of these new artist way too sensitive….they on that bullshit. Keep downloading and tell them to go bully the record companies that they work for….i know they not bold enough to say nothing to anybody in a suit!!!!

What hurts him doesn’t necessarily hurt hip hop.
Shedding light on obscure artists, good thing.

You guys may be interested in checking out my blog Eclectic Grooves. I have a little something called Adlibmay Oomday that may peak your sample curiosities.

Best, Kevin

http://eclectic-grooves.blogspot.com

http://rapcredits.com/wiki/Madvillain

This is a great site that you can get a lot of useful information. Still a work in process. Not even a year old.

To answer the question……..

I appreciate the sample sets. In listening to the artists who produce the music we all love, I think it gives us a listeners a window to peek into the mind of Madlib, Doom, Pete Rock, Gangstarr amongst a whole slew of other artists that are in opinion, “Master’s of the Boards (Productions wise).”

Over the past year checking this blog I have been exposed to so many samples sets from my favorite that I can’t lie even lie….. I now listen to the sample sets as equally as I listen to the actual album form the artist…. If not MORE. I got the Madvilliany sample set….. I was fu$%#in’ blown away by the treatment of the original tracks. I for one wish I was been in the studio when madlib did the Quasimoto albums…. Or when Doom did “Operation Doomsday.”…. But that time is past.

I was one of those kids who actually read the liner notes of a hip hop album to get the samples….. At the time I didn’t have a computer but I would ask my Grandmother for clarity on certain tracks. My first sample she cleared up for me was “Night in Tunisia” by Dizzy Gillespie wqhich was samples in “Manifest” by Gangstarr. I was so addicted to that song I had her find me the album in her collection & show me the song. That’s crazy!

What I’m saying is…….. Someone has to do the homework & leg work looking for tracks. Although, the hard work of an artist should not go unnoticed. I for one am not a producer BUT I can appreciate the postings. It’s either this blog or someone on Limewire finding the tracks. Compiling them & making thier own Mix out of that. (which I’ve done)

I say keep it coming…… It does cross strange water when cats start to take the records & make money from them. That’s just wrong. (to me anyway). Download them. appreciate them in the comfort of your own home. That’s just me though.

I hope that answers the question.

Take it easy.

Wouldn’t it be nice if anyone from Stones Throw, other than their trained link crawling chimps would get in contact with you to answer some simple questions? Or if Peanut Butter Wolf (I’m getting sick of typing his name already, lol) or Madlib themselves would actually debate the situation in a logical and analytical forum, expressing why they take down anything related to them, especially free mixes/podcasts that contain “their” music. My main question is, why can’t we archive the podcast sets for them? They don’t have one themselves don’t they think the fans, especially the people who haven’t heard the previous ones, deserve to be able to listen to them (again). I sure do and that’s what I tried to do early in my blog but they kept taking down the FREE mixes, retail stuff I understand but why the FREE stuff? Other than website traffic to their site I can’t see a reasonable or logical explanation for not allowing others to hear something, they themselves posted for free.
I mean if anything if they co-operated with the blogs and bloggers that appreciate their music they would probably get more album sales, I mean studies have been conducted that correlate the connection between blogs and album sales:
“NYU Stern professor Vasant Dhar and former student Elaine Chang sampled 108 albums released between January and March of 2007 to determine the impact of blog chatter on record sales. Using Amazon.com sales rankings, albums were tracked four weeks before and four weeks after release. Researchers found that when an album got mention in more than 40 legitimate blog posts, sales were three times the average. If those albums were associated with major labels, sales jumped five times the average. Albums that got more than 250 blog mentions saw sales increases of six times the average.”

Hollywood Reporter

So if anything they would make more $, they could also thank us for the free publicity as well, I mean 90% of us don’t get a red cent for posting anything on our blogs, we do it for the LOVE of the music, something that seems to be forgotten in all of this.
Anyway I’m over it, I’ve joked and made aggressive comments on my blog but at the end of the day, it’s them that have to realize that ultimately it’s the fans that help put food on their tables.

does anyone at least know where the samples that appear several times with a narrator saying things like “the villains themselves were responsible for much of the popularity, the audiences loved to hate” on the illest villians.. its driving me nuts cause i remember hearing that voice when i was a kid but can’t remember where

all of this anger is totally misguided i think. madlib is one of my favorite dj’s/producers, and I totally understand where he is coming from, it’s not anything negative to you the bloggers, or him trying to hold his techniques as most of us couldn’t flip those samples even knowing what they are into what he creates. His problem with the sample sets is that it creates a form for people to sue him because he doesn’t clear many of his samples. He uses them freely and layers lots of samples so when literally the list is out there, artists will coming at him with lawsuits and that is something that he probably wants to avoid…

so called hip hop fans. bunch of lazy bums. if you wanna know where hip hop producers find their sources spend hours looking for and listening to old and odd records. use the internet if you want but when you find a sample discuss it with your circle if you want but don’t fucking put it on your lame ass blog so the world can see how “awesome” you are. and they say they love hip hop. attention-whores. foh

Hello, my name is Dennis and I am looking for a madlib sample from the Madlib Remixes 2 album. I have found most of the samples from thias album and they are quite interesting and definatly worth checking out. I am looking for this sample from this remixed song called “Rap Niggaz” by raekwon. please help

I respect your enthusiasm for the original artists but remember for the producers this is their full top job and it is a perilous profession to be in right now….Bring back the exposure of long samples ala jungle brothers/EPMD/Gangstar/Pete Rock first albums….This will be difficult if producers feel afraid of using a sample in it’s entirety. A lot of stuff we hear now is just chopped up air. Premier does it well…but many are just derivative
Peace,
Tom Dice

http://www.jordancss.com/

wow so Quas is admitting they are not clearing samples… and hiding the samples… might as well be theft

Great view

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