Consider yourself lucky if you were one of the few (76 total) that were able to download the Madvillainy Original Samples. As of today, the post has been deleted and the files have been removed from Megaupload’s servers. All of this was done at the request of Lord Quasimoto himself.
Quas reached out to me today on MySpace and requested that the post be removed. His reasoning was that “pages like this on the internet are no help at all to people like Doom, Madlib, and those that work with them.”
I am not here to hurt hip hop or disrespect anyone’s work in any form, so of course I obliged and extended my sincere apologies. Which leads me to my question for all of you… are we hurting the artists by posting these sample compilations? Or are we helping the appreciation of hip hop by shedding some light on the inspiration behind the tracks? In an age where you can pretty much find anything on the Internet, I don’t think this information is too hard to find; I’m just putting it all in one place. I don’t want to go on a rant and I fully support Quasimoto’s request to have their sources removed; however I would like to hear your thoughts on this.
Oh, and if you’re in the Miami area, at the end of the month Stones Throw is hosting a free concert, featuring…
- Madlib
- Peanut Butter Wolf
- A-Trak
- DJ Mehdi
- Benji B
- Egon
- James Pants
- Karriem Riggins
- Baron Zen
- Dam-Funk
Hosted by Aloe Blacc
Saturday, March 29, 1PM-10PM
@ Raleigh Hotel, 1775 Collins Ave, Miami Beach
FREE, NO RSVP, NO BADGE
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Well, I think you know my opinion on the matter…..
“In an age where you can pretty much find anything on the Internet, I don’t think this information is too hard to find; I’m just putting it all in one place”
This is my opinion too, just to go youtube, samples from hip-hop songs are posted every single day…
These sample sets just helps everyone to have a better and extended musical taste and shows some good old stuff that we didn’t know.
If wasn’t for the samples sets, i would never buy a Sly & the family stone or a Diana Ross & The Supremes Lp… You see?? These sets just helped me to love more and more music…
Think on that mr. quasimoto…
i think what you do is great.
it helps people like me understand hip hop better
and gives a history lesson at the same time.
Since im only 17 most of the samples used, i have
never heard in my life so your work introduces me
to many new artist and songs
thanks for everything you do.
No disrespect to Quas, but those songs aren’t his, that’s point number one, the songs still exist, just cuz a producer sampled it doesn’t make it special to them. I think personally that it’s awesome to hear the originals that were sampled, and I also have more respect for a producer when I can hear what he sampled and how he flipped it, as well as respect for his music knowledge/hard work to find obscure samples. I don’t understand how it’s no help, I can understand if you had posted his album for free download but a sample compilation? Not hatin but I think that’s a bit of an overreaction/misguided statement
and i agree that I love being schooled on classic songs that I never heard before
Yo, your website changes my life with each update. It’s not hurting hip-hop. Everyday, I move closer and closer to quiting the corporate world and follow my heart and the music. I would have definitely respected his wishes and removed the post but, it’s music…IT’S FOR ALL OF OUR CONSUMPTION…Give me mines!!
I agree with everything. With every sample I listen to, I admire and respect every great producer out there. Not forget the true hip-hop and the real soul music nostalgia you guys are giving us, when the garbage is growing. This is just f-n bullshit, he probably got an huuuge ego or something, my view has really changed on Madlib. The songs aren’t his, for crying out loud!
In a day in which just about everyone uses or has used samples from some other artist to help their own production or their own name, I see nothing wrong with posting the original songs as you did.
Quasimodo needs to check his arrogance at the door. He wasn’t even the originator of any of the songs that you posted so by asking you to remove them, the only thing he is accomplishing is preventing us from being just as bad as he is. I think the problem that he is having isn’t the fact that what you do is no help to people like madlib, but what it does allow is other up and coming producers to rise to the ranks of doom and go beyond. Mr. Quasimodo, don’t be afraid someone will be better than you. It is people like you who do no good to yourself and who harm hip hop.
I think his request is pretty ridiculous. As has already been noted, these songs aren’t even his, so I don’t understand how he can really justify making the request in the first place.
My stance on these issues is relatively consolidated. Through sharing knowledge of music it can only serve to make people push harder and make better music. For the artists who originally wrote the songs that have subsequently been sampled it can only be a blessing: in the last month alone I’ve bought 10s of CDs from musicians and groups that I never would have previously bought had the internet not provided me with such an effective resource for discovering the sample sources in the first place.
If he’s scared that we’re ‘letting the cat out the bag’ then it should motivate him to not rest on his laurels, not enrage him that he is in someway being cheated.
This whole madvillain issue reminds of how Eddie Van Halen used to try and hide his “finger-tapping” guitar method from his fans. He didn’t want anyone to see what he was doing for fear of being ripped off and copied. The thing is, people did find out, and he is still one of the best around – his influence on rock and roll is undeniable. The same is true of Madlib. He should not be threatened that his technique and sources are being revealed, he should be flattered that a bunch of hip hop nerds, like us, are sitting around obessing on his music. I think his request to have Kev remove the post was a bit uncalled for, but at the same time I understand his point of view. No disprespect to Madlib, he is one of the modern greats.
Not an issue with me. I actually still by CD’s!! Go figure.
Wow, some great responses here! I, of course, agree with all of you here and I appreciate the props from everyone. Sampling is probably one of the biggest debates in hip hop and it’s awesome to see how its evolved in the past 20-25 years.
Quas.. Sharing is Caring.. Posting samples is like free promotion.. Those who are going to pay for your music and go to your show will always pay for your music and go to your shows. I hate when people say sharing hurts artist.. Look at programs like Adobe Photoshop, with out wide spread sharing it would have never become a standard. Don’t like that example? How about this.. Nine inch nails released an album last week (GHOST, On there own no, label), the album is almost 2 hours / 36 instrumental tracks described as “music for daydreams.” Available as a $5 download, or a FREE album-length download, as well as a variety of physical configurations. NIN Made 1.6mill on that free album in a week.. Hurting Hip Hop? Kevin I think your doing a service to hip hop/sample junkies everywhere.
On top of that people who listen to these samples are usually sample junkies/ hip-hop heads/ producers, its such a small niche, who are we hurting?
This is how the internet works.. If it comes down from here its gonna go up somewhere else.
If you want that nin album check out there site http://www.nin.com they have also released the tracks in garage band format so you can remix them your self at remix.nin.com
I read that post and just started typing so that rant is probably riddled with grammatical errors. If so MY BAD.
I understand his point. I mean, maybe the samples haven’t been cleared, and if record company people will see it they might wanna try to sue him… So i can understand it!
LOL, at some of these responses. Most of the samples that were dug up were from people who decided “Hey let’s tell the world what samples were used on this track”.
Am sure 99% of the reason for his request was legal issues since the owners of the originals can easy sue him since they weren’t cleared. AND 1% because he doesn’t want the common listener to know what he used. It’s better for Madlib if they found out from him instead of a random post online.
I definitely understand him for doing what he did, I would do the same. Back then this wasn’t a problem because everyone didn’t have easy access to know such things as ‘what sample was use for this” and thus forth.
Producers notably “Timbaland” are suffering from the consequences of not clearing samples.
All Madlib was trying to do was steer away from it although “using portions of other copyrighted material without permission from the originator” is illegal according to law.
Anyways, Madvilliany incredible album.
DON’T YOU STOP DON’T STOP PLEEEEEEAAAAAAASE YOU ARE DOING A GREAT SERVICE. THIS IS AN EXSTENTION OF THE LOVE OF HIP HOP. THIS IS ONE OF THE REALEST MOVEMENTS TO DATE. THAT GOES FOR ALL THE SIGHTS THATS DOING IT. IT’S THAT LITTLE BREATHE THAT KEEPS HIP HOP OFF THE RESPARATER. I BELIEVE IN KEEPING THINGS ESOTERIC BUT IF YOU KEEP THINGS TO SECRET IT WILL WIPE ITSELF OUT OF HISTORY. LOOK WHAT HAPPENED WITH BETA AND VHS: SONY WAS STINGY AND DIDN’T WANT TO SHARE THE TECHNOLOGY AND VHS DID. Look who’s still standing. r
Im goin to keep this SHORT, keep doing what you doin man your page is my WIKIPEDIA for sampling and i have grown so much as a producer since.
Keven Nottingham “We Speak Your Name”
Yo man.. as alot of people have already said, the things you do are simply amazing. Being an 18 year old kid, im learning things that i could never learn without your (and the other few blogs doing this) blog. Not only amazing I learning much more about the artist / producer themselvers and how its made, im learning alot about music in general!
On the other hand, i can obviously see for copywrite reasons why some artist wouldn’t want there shit out there..
I don’t see what problems would be if it was older albums tho.. ya know.. the 90 albums 80 albums etc.
but whatever you guys do im down with, youve already taught me a ton of things. a ton of GOOD things.
peace out fam
i totally understand everyones post..and agree to some terms….however, i do feel that quasis request was most probably made with the LAW in mind…and you cant knock a guys for making a request such as his…
No disrespect but if you haven’t cleared your samples, whose problem is that? As an artist it is YOUR main responsibility to reference all works from which you sample. I am a writer and imagine if I were to be upset because someone knew I referenced a specific author without citing them and they decided to post it, not as a siren but as a tribute. Kevin you are greatly enhancing my knowledge and appreciation for hip hop. I love what you do and people need to know their ROOTS! You have my support!
I agree that Madlib’s motivation on this is completely legal/monetary. Not sure how else this site would ever be “no help” to him and other artists like him…
The fact that these sample sets could work to expose uncleared samples is definitely something to think about. Yes, “legally” it’s the producers responsibility to clear their samples, but judging by Quas’s response I think it’s safe to say that there are quite a few of them that take some chances and try to sneak some things by… and I’m sure no one here would want them to suffer monetarily any more than they have to…
It’s clear we all really enjoy and get a lot out of Kev’s work on these sample collections, so I think the best way to approach this is probably to do exactly as he did today. If an artist reaches out and makes a request that you please not publish certain information, then you simply respect their wishes.
Yo,On the real….no disrespect but post that shit back up…jus dont put the cover or they name wit it.I ve been listening to doom since KMD’s first release…better yet since they were featured through 3rd Bass.
We all love hip hop…i know i do…its something about hearing a hot track that makes you wanna find the original sample and enjoy it for what it really is.I aint gonna front;alot of people download these sets to sample themselves so they aint gotta get they fingers dirty in the hunt…fuck that!….Others like me that make beats like to listen to good music and really learn more about the original artist.
Damn near all of the songs in each set that you have here….i already have on vinyl…im jus to lazy to make mp3’s….why they trippin?
Oh Yeah…And one more thing!! It aint like you cant pick up the album and read the credits!
I gotta agree with the few who said they understand Madlib’s point. Of course it’s great to discover that old funk soul jazz through rap and sampling, but how many of y’all can tell me that this has meant for them buying hundreds of old school records and not just act like they know? It doesn’t help a wayback artist much if people say they “discovered” his music through rap and in fact they know jack shit.
Also, most of y’all forget that Madlib tries to keep his samples as obscure as possible, so he don’t need to pay for the^m. As some of you said, the internet has everything to offer and eveybody can use it, which means that some record company punk or even a sampled artist himself can come across the information and file a lawsuit. Many producers have become crap because they saw themselves kinda forced to let go of sampling (why do you think the “golden era” ended?)…
I mean, mad respect to Kev for this whole thing, but I think it should be something kept between a chosen few and not displayed on a forum with mad international kudos like this one.
And whether this is good for hip hop… I don’t know, I don’t see necessarily it advancing through this. I can just recall the one and only DJ Premier on a record blasting people who make that kinda information accesible. So Kev, if you really plannin to do a Gang Starr set, watch out for Preemo…
Wow, all the comments are overwhelming! Check out Ivan’s response to this subject here:
http://hiphopisread.blogspot.com/2008/03/sample-sets-hurting-hip-hop.html
I know his request was totally based on the samples not being cleared… that’s why I honored his request to remove the post. The copyrite laws are so messed up that it has producers scared. I know we all say, “well he should get the sample cleared.” But I’m sure it’s not always as easy as it sounds. Especially for underground artists who have little money and do this for the passion of the music.
You all may remember a sample contest that was held here a month ago with 100dBs. If you search the site, you can’t find those posts anymore. Why? 100dBs, also, asked me to remove the sample references once the contest was over. It’s totally a legal issue. And if a producer asks me to remove his sources, I will. I don’t want this blog to be a one stop shop for the record labels to find out who they should sue next, but don’t worry… this won’t stop the movement we’ve started.
i did a write up few days ago biggin’ up kevin & his people on the wook they do in putting these collections together. fr Madlib to make that request is a bit arrogant since e owns none of them. But he is only trying to protect his livelyhood. The problem is he’s only hutrting hiself. These sampl collections only give the producers more shine in the long run & don’t forget the majority of people who d/l’d the originals haven’t even left a comment. it touches alot morepeople than we relise. Then some of them will post em on other blogs & tell their people & it’s all giving Lib more shine I think that lib quite simply doesn’t want the competition, period. I can’t believe he did that. But then again stones throw as a label haven’t exactly ben the bloggers friend now have they
i posted that without reading the last comment about samples not being cleared. so i take back what i said. we all gotta eat & they could end up costing him a lot of cash
MADlib is acting like a lil hoe. those samples are not his to say what to do with them..you should repost them..remember madlib, like pete rock says “its not if someone has used the sample before its how you flip it”
hey… i think most of you have absolutely no insight in the music industry or even know how difficult (and expensive) sample clearing is. I fully can understand Madlib on this issue.
All downloads suck anyway! The “Photoshop” example is not working for the music industry. Suckers only downloading music for free is assholes. That’s just my opinion as a label boss AND artist! Most of you don’t even know what they’re doing.
additionally, i have to say, sampling in some way is stealing, BUT in a creative manner. sampling is hip hop. hip hop is sampling. Be creative on your own instead of revealing secrets.
Remember the days, when djs put stickers on their labels so other djs couldnt see what they were playing? Those days seem to be over.
Your original sample sets have opened me up to a lot of new music. Being a producer myself, it helps to know where other producers found their inspirations. The majority of your sample sets are from big name artists who have the budget to CLEAR THEIR SAMPLES. That’s probably why Quas didn’t want his stuff out there cause they aren’t cleared and doesn’t want to anybody to find out. With obscure music samples, the likelyhood of the originator or the copyright holder finding out is almost at zero. So if you don’t clear the sample, its not really gonna hurt the producer. But with the sample sets popping up on the net and spreading around, it may raise a red flag and hurt the producer(thats if he didn’t clear the sample). That’s just my two cents.
But big name, big budget artists like Jay don’t give a shit cause he already paid for the right to use the music. You’re just helping everybody out by letting us know the source. So keep doing your thing Kev.
to the old fool
a majority of “us” don’t have a “insight” to the music industry..but if you dont want the legal issues make your own music..dont sample.or if you want that sampled sound replay the music you want & then chop it like dj khalil is doing.his shit is on the next level just listen to his new NAS track.
& on the subject of downloading.half the music i download is junk & i throw away.the other half is so so, & as for the music i download & discover that its dope i’ll buy it.in my opinion the record industry has been getting away with selling wack music for years now they are paying the price.people get to listen to the music before they buy it.& they are finding out that it aint that good.so they are passing it up….
& i dont remeber the days of covering up my record labels i’ve DJ since the early 90’s if saomeone want to spin that record thats up to them, its my job to flip that record in a better way than he did.& now with the digital DJ comming into play you can make your set 100X’s hyper….yes those days are over its not about exclusives its about talent homie.
Old Fool,
Youre not the only one who has ‘insight’ into the music industry. Dont act like its some big secret regarding how difficult it is to clear a sample. Its not that hard to find out. Insight means nothing, period… You can know all the little details you want but if you dont have the money to make the shit happen then youre not going anywhere…
If Madlib has legal issues then he shouldnt have sampled the shit without clearing them.. He knows the rules.. If you dont clear samples then youre taking a risk.. Its that simple!
Besides if these ‘labels’ wanted to sue him on clearance issues they would need more than just some internet blogging site. The internet is no burden of proof. Just because it was said, doesnt mean its true.
Leave em posted !! No one tells him how to sample and run his site, run your site the way you want !! Once he put an album out, its all public information. If he dont want others to know sample different.
the last 2 comments are very valid points & my view keeps changing slightl everytime i catch up on these comments. I’m now at the point somewhere between Madlib made his bed so he’s gotta lie in it & he;s trying to make a living.
as for someone having insight. i’m still waiting for whatever it is that you know that we don’t.
I’m now at the point somewhere between Madlib made his bed so he’s gotta lie in it & he;s trying to make a living.
^^^ true but hes (madlib) not gonna have to pay for those samples PBW would. the only thing madlib would do is have to change his style to more non-sampling, & to be truthful madlibs shit has been really wack lately those middle eastern records were booty…but a couple of joints from the percee p remix album were fire……i bought percee p’s shit cause hes real. i met him in LA on melrose slangin’ his shit.thats REAL thats & REAL HIPHOP percee chopped it up in front of Fatbeats with me.
o & on the real why dont madlib & stones throw go after C4 ripping crew?
they are taking YOUR money not this site? this site is posting the samples you dont own…
The reason why madlib is trippin cause he doesnt want anyone to know what songs he sampled for that album.Thats what diggers do we dig,we find and we make. A good percentage of producers dont wanna give up there finds for example this cat went all the way to brazil to cop some of these records how often do people do that?? anyways.He aint doin it to tell everyone in blogger land what he found he wants us to sit back and be like DAM! where he get that from! also these samples are not cleared and he can still get in trouble.Givin out the samples kinda takes away the fun of listening to the album and then the new-jack producers that dont know any better are gonna re-use the samples like theres no tommorow.I dont like tellin people where i get my samples from especially drums GO OUT AND FIND YOUR OWN SAMPLES INSPIRE DIGGERS TO KEEP DIGGING
As nofrillz says, every time I check back here I change my opinion somewhat. I agree that if these compilations raise a serious issue for producers then there is some moral obligation on bloggers’ part to hold back: I don’t imagine any of us are intentionally hurting artists who we love, rather it is a symbol of our appreciation that we post in the first place.
Every time somebody brings up the issue of the history of hip hop it kind of makes me roll my eyes (and not because I don’t value dearly the preservation of the culture). In the early days, yes, a prominent feature of the genre was to conceal these bits of information as a way of raising your own profile, but if you’re trying to hold on to these ideas in 2008, rightly or wrongly, you’re gonna come unstuck in the internet age. Freedom of information is a part of modern society that is completely unavoidable: bitch about it all you like, but you either move with the times or you’ll get lost.
There’s also a contradiction in terms when referring to the internet. If you’re a producer who is trying to adhere to key moral codes and eschew the digital age, my bet is that you still have a MySpace page, offer digital downloads etc. You can’t have it both ways…
f5t, that wasn’t cool. Yes, I deleted your comment with the samples listed. Madlib doesn’t want his samples listed and I respected his wishes by taking them down. Please respect my decision by not posting the sample credits in the comments.
How about reposting them and change the title ?? Like strictly breaks did when Pete Rock got mad because they put out “Pete’s Treats”. Change the name and repost them as just good music to listen too !!
Yes re-title it All Samples Are NOT Cleared !!
That’s actually not a bad idea…. stay tuned; I’ll come up with something.
i can understand Madlib’s point in asking that they be removed. he’s not a big time producer who has millions of dollars, who can afford (whether in the front or in the back end on his contract negotiations) the cost of clearing the records he uses. it’s not as bad to do a sample set on Jay-Z, Nas, Biggie, etc. (mind you, there are samples sets compiled from these artist already) because the issue of clearances where already dealt with in their contract negotiations and, in addition to, yielding the income for both the artist themselves and the label to profit after clearance fees where paid, amongst other fees. copyright laws where more lenient than in recent years.
I think it’s safe to say madlib’s dealings are not as complex. if the artist/lables/publishing companies where to learn of Madlib using their material without permission, both Madlib and his label could suffer severe loss. possibly a loss that they couldn’t recover from.
so because of listing his original sources directly related to Madlib is worth that loss?
based on comments of how people come to this site to “discover” the origins of a producer’s work, proves that you wouldn’t have heard them in the first place if that producer didn’t use them (unless you’re digging for yourself and found the original records already..and this site is just a means of convenience)
not connecting Madlib to the original sources and if it where random sources used by different people wouldn’t be as bad…etc. example: dustyfingers comps.
so not only would you not have “discovered” the original songs, but, if the worst scenario where to play out, you wouldn’t hear Madlib records anymore(not sample-based anyway), you would not have the luxury of hearing some dope samples to go look for.
No one owns samples, or the records..true..but to take it a step further, no one owns the rights to the original artists’ music except the artist/label/publishing company.
i’ve seen blogs where people have posted original records from an artist (not a hiphop artist), and was contacted to have there material removed, or face legal action. needless to say they removed the material.
how would you, as an individual and/or artist with no label, no financial backing, feel if the artist who original made the piece you sampled from contacted you about using their material without proper permission(even if you bought the original record?…(read the copyright info on the back at the bottom of the cover)
don’t think for two seconds that one of the artist who created the original pieces couldn’t have contacted Kev, instead of Madlib, about making their songs available for free download without permission. i believe the conversation would be different. let Kev resist and get hit with a lawsuit, guess what?…bye bye “this is Hip Hop” blog and website.
in essence we’re in no different a position as Madlib in terms of these records, the risk of sampling, or using them for whatever reason, without proper permission from the artist, label, publishing companies.
label, and publishing companies don’t care how music is used, or if it’s even good or not. their only concern is how much money they can possibly get from the artist and from the consumer.
so if you’re gettin the original sources for free, and using them however (whether to sample or just share with others)without permission, how are we any different from Madlib using them (at least he found and purchased the record)
if we respect Madlib’s work, and Kev willingness to share, we should also respect Madlib when he request not to have his sources revealed, and respect Kev when he honors that request.
it’s interesting how some people will honor a producer/artist for using dope samples, who’s not bound by the commercial stereotypes and preferences. and at the same time..say “so what..who’s problem is that” when he ask that his sources not be revealed and attached to him, for any other reason than it poses legal repercussions to his works that you admire so much.
if that’s the case, don’t come to the site and have these sources hand fed to you..hit the record stores, pawnshops, swap meets, garage sales, and dig for the original records yourselves….that’s what Madlib does. trust, it’s more satisfying too.
Peace.
yo kid, them shits is still up on the net…not like i got a vendetta against madlib or summat…take a look for yourself…
http://backpackgully.blogspot.com/2008/03/all-madvillainy-original-samples.html
Yeah, like I said, I’m sure they’d show back up on the net. Unfortunately the owner of that blog linked directly to my file which has been removed. But hey, I ain’t the Madlib police! Just as long as it ain’t my blog getting shut down.
actually they linked to the OG link which is down FYI
Kev, you still can post them up, just don’t mention anything Madvillian related. Just be creative with it and Madlib can’t do anything about it.
I think its less and issue of styles getting bitten and more an issue of the album getting pulled off the shelved if its sample sources are widely advertised. Most of the beats on that album are straight loops. By the way, I’m one of the lucky 76.
xpgno don’t rub it in!!!!
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I think he is just trying to cover his neck and also not have people use the samples and bite his style.
LOL how ridiculous. There are quite a few of Madlib’s samples on the dusty fingers compilation. A lot of the songs he sampled arent that much different than the songs he made using the samples. I love madlib, dont get me wrong, but hes not as creative as many producers out there. J DILLA, Pete Rock, Premier, being a few.
“Rap is an art/You cant own no loops/Its how you hook’em up and the rhyme style troop!” GURU – Take It Personal
Damn, so many people respondin to this sampling issue… wouldn’t it be nice if they all checked the remix competition so we could have more voters…
Let Stonesthrow complain about that. Don’t stop that good work.
I could understand (not appreciate) that they do not want their own current material to be downloaded, but the samples…
Apart from being sued themselves, which would be a funny irony.
By the way, DO YOU HAVE THE QUAS SAMPLES (preferably from the Unseen)…
That Roy Ayers’ DC City sample for Season’s Change is amazing.
Jaybilla
sampling is stealing..i heard stonesthrow got its riches from not paying artist and samples….somebody needs to investigate
i think this topic is played out…..
One of things i love about Hip Hop is the fact that it samples old songs from all genres, and when i hear a Hip Hop tune that makes me nod my head like a person with parkinson’s trying to bob for apples i wanna know where that original break / sample / vocal sample has come from. And 9 times out of 10 i become a fan of that artist too! and then i back track and start buying more music from the sampled artist. There seems to be more and more artist making their own beats and that’s why Hip Hop has got so shit!
There…i’ve said it!
Wow, this topic has gotten WAY out of hand! Not only by the number of comments posted here, but it has been covered on at least 7 other blogs (including XXLmag) and countless other forums. It certainly is an interesting debate, which was my initial intent when I created this blog 8 months ago… to have great discussions about hip hop.
For those that are wondering why I took the sample set down… I did it out of respect for Madlib. I kind of feel bad for the dude, that this topic has gotten out of hand and he seems to be getting a lot of flack from everyone. I have decided to continue to honor Lib’s request and will not be putting the set back up. Sorry guys. But we’ll continue to move forward with more sample compilations.
LOL, XXLmag, nice. Your blog getting MAD visitors now, PROPS!
yo,
disable comments on this shiz
before it blows up.
Hey somebody send me the set at evildeadrecordz@yahoo.com
I will change the name and post them. I think Madlib forgets what its like for the Have nots-the underprivledged. We can’t travel cross country to record stores, some of us don’t even have a record store in our city. Does not mean we should not have access to good music.
If I could say fuck on my radio show, I’d say fuck Madlib.
If the FOUNDERS of Hip Hop spread, and share knowledge to this VERY day – who the fuck is Madlib to request that his shit stays anonymous?
Yea, I may still play his joints, but his mentality and thinking is what I have a major problem with.
The elitist “only-I-know-about-this” attitude that runs rampant in HipHop, needs to take a rest. If your that good, you will always have something new.
-Ohso Kool
WHCR 90.3 FM
Sugatreats: The Radio Show / Soulchaser
stones throw is just a bunch of hoes.
not to be rude or anything but you got punked. how they hell can he tell YOU to take something off of your site that HE doesn’t own? i love listening to older music instead of alot of the trash that has become hip hop nowadays and i wanted to know what the samples were on Madvillany besides ZZ Hill’s joint for fancy clown. hell, can you just send me the list and I’LL find them myself?
Can anyone post all 76 or 78 or send me a link at evildeadrecordz@yahoo.com ??
Thank you !!
The number 76 was in reference to the number of people who downloaded the set before it got pulled. For those of you that are looking for a nice compilation, check out the forums.
I just found the original samples its leak all over the web all you need is google I’ve seen it posted on like 5 other websites.
i’ve heard of quasimoto…but i’ve never desired to listen or supported his music..and now i see why. its close minded individuals like him that keep himself and other artists like him in the underground lane. it’s websites and information like this that give the fans that little extra that they will never get from the artists. keep doing what u doing my man…
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Nah….thats that bullshit. Dude forget when people like Rick James and Nile Rodgers was on tv calling rappers out for ’stealing’ their music. He forget they had to make a living too. And when it came to their music they didn’t want rappers using it at all….so how can we honor his requests and not honor the requests of the original artists? Tell his ass to go and ask every artist he samples if he can use their tracks…Not the company but the actual artists themselves. Matter of fact tell his ass to come out of his pocket to use their tracks. I don’t mean to be harsh but some of these new artist way too sensitive….they on that bullshit. Keep downloading and tell them to go bully the record companies that they work for….i know they not bold enough to say nothing to anybody in a suit!!!!
It wasn’t even Madlib who sent the message, yall. Think about it. The message came over Myspace. I doubt Madlib ever checks his myspace, and considering that all the blogs on the page talk about Madlib in the third person (for example his latest describing his involvement with Conti from Azymuth), which means someone else is writing them. Myspace is a publicity thing and Madlib is very uninterested in publicity. Further, this whole things is a sample clearance issue, which is an issue for the record label, not the artist (my fellow producers will know this already). Madlib is a studio recluse. He doesn’t spend his time googling for random websites on the internet. Honestly, he probably isn’t even aware of this “issue” yet, he’s so cooped up in the studio making beats. So before you say “fuck madlib” just remember that he probably wasn’t even the one who sent the message.
What hurts him doesn’t necessarily hurt hip hop.
Shedding light on obscure artists, good thing.
I agree with xpgno (April 11th) Madlib is too busy making beats and travelling with different artists. Why would he have time check Myspace pages?? I too believed it a 3rd party representing him.
You guys may be interested in checking out my blog Eclectic Grooves. I have a little something called Adlibmay Oomday that may peak your sample curiosities.
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look, the reality of the situation is that we all love hip hop and music in general. if you want to know what lp a sample comes from you should dig around or look on google.
most beatmakers and hip hop producers are aware that they are just remixing, mashing, editing and collage.
if you’ve ever tried to get sample clearance from anyone you know how impossible it is. especially when you are on an indie label or self-releasing yr music. you can’t just ask the artist. labels and publishing companies own the master tapes of the music yr trying to use.
the last thing you want is a cease and desist order. danger mouse gave away the grey album, but he couldn’t just do that with all his records.
until sample law changes (and it will with artists like Girltalk), lists of what samples what are no good.
yo i know what its like for madlib im releasin my cd on wednesday and i didnt clear shit….. i might not even put it on itunes cuz of that…..
however i relly want the madvillain sample set
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can we even speak about it!? i mean can you tell me the list of samples so i can search for my own? or mr.qua will sue you just for telling me!??!
what is this!??!
http://rapcredits.com/wiki/Madvillain
This is a great site that you can get a lot of useful information. Still a work in process. Not even a year old.
I see that this is an old post but I will put in my 2 cents worth.I was NEVER into sampling until I entered a contest on this site.So I got u guys to thank for that.But I always did love listening to a well sampled track.Not to knock anybody’s hustle,but it would have came off a little better if he was more up front about why he wanted the sample set removed,instead of the BS excuse that he gave.No disrespect.
** kicking myself in the ass for not getting it **. . i missed it. . he is one producer i would love to see how he flipps his shit. . i can hear it. . but cant see it. . keep rocking with the sample setts though kev .. hearing the original samples is what inspires me..
If every producer had to clear every sample, there would be no hip hop. Do you think Low End Theory or Midnight Marauders gets made if they had to clear every sample prior to release? There are countless hip hop classics that would not have seen the light of day if every sample had to be clear.
I love the idea of sample sets… but sooner or later, sample sets will hurt hip hop… simply because labels are greedy bastards and this is easy money (grab a sample set, scan for songs that you have the copyright for, call the lawyer, sue, get paid and future royalties… yea, it’s that simple when the labels own the copyrighted music.) So in that sense, I understand Madlib… and he’s not the only one in the business making a fuss about this. I’ve heard DJs, artist, and producers larger and small complain about sample sets… and it seems to have gotten louder over the past couple of months.
And to be honest,.. I was wondering when this issue was going to surface here.
To answer the question……..
I appreciate the sample sets. In listening to the artists who produce the music we all love, I think it gives us a listeners a window to peek into the mind of Madlib, Doom, Pete Rock, Gangstarr amongst a whole slew of other artists that are in opinion, “Master’s of the Boards (Productions wise).”
Over the past year checking this blog I have been exposed to so many samples sets from my favorite that I can’t lie even lie….. I now listen to the sample sets as equally as I listen to the actual album form the artist…. If not MORE. I got the Madvilliany sample set….. I was fu$%#in’ blown away by the treatment of the original tracks. I for one wish I was been in the studio when madlib did the Quasimoto albums…. Or when Doom did “Operation Doomsday.”…. But that time is past.
I was one of those kids who actually read the liner notes of a hip hop album to get the samples….. At the time I didn’t have a computer but I would ask my Grandmother for clarity on certain tracks. My first sample she cleared up for me was “Night in Tunisia” by Dizzy Gillespie wqhich was samples in “Manifest” by Gangstarr. I was so addicted to that song I had her find me the album in her collection & show me the song. That’s crazy!
What I’m saying is…….. Someone has to do the homework & leg work looking for tracks. Although, the hard work of an artist should not go unnoticed. I for one am not a producer BUT I can appreciate the postings. It’s either this blog or someone on Limewire finding the tracks. Compiling them & making thier own Mix out of that. (which I’ve done)
I say keep it coming…… It does cross strange water when cats start to take the records & make money from them. That’s just wrong. (to me anyway). Download them. appreciate them in the comfort of your own home. That’s just me though.
I hope that answers the question.
Take it easy.
Madlib is my favorite Hip-Hop producer. I’m not saying he’s the best. I’m just saying his work strikes a chord with me that no one else seems to. DOOM is quickly becoming one of my favorite MCs/artists…the Madvillain stuff was just perfect.
I know I’m a little late here y’all…it never even occurred to me to look into getting hold to the original samples (some of them records I have already – it was cool hearing them cut up like only Madlib would!).
Guess it’s no surprise, I’m a producer also, and I’m not interested in biting Madlib’s style…but I would love to have insight into how he puts stuff together (Dig the way he cut up The Stylistics’ version of Peaches & Herb’s song “United” on the 2nd Dudley Perkins record for instance).
Would someone be so kind as to hook me up with this sample set?
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Wouldn’t it be nice if anyone from Stones Throw, other than their trained link crawling chimps would get in contact with you to answer some simple questions? Or if Peanut Butter Wolf (I’m getting sick of typing his name already, lol) or Madlib themselves would actually debate the situation in a logical and analytical forum, expressing why they take down anything related to them, especially free mixes/podcasts that contain “their” music. My main question is, why can’t we archive the podcast sets for them? They don’t have one themselves don’t they think the fans, especially the people who haven’t heard the previous ones, deserve to be able to listen to them (again). I sure do and that’s what I tried to do early in my blog but they kept taking down the FREE mixes, retail stuff I understand but why the FREE stuff? Other than website traffic to their site I can’t see a reasonable or logical explanation for not allowing others to hear something, they themselves posted for free.
I mean if anything if they co-operated with the blogs and bloggers that appreciate their music they would probably get more album sales, I mean studies have been conducted that correlate the connection between blogs and album sales:
“NYU Stern professor Vasant Dhar and former student Elaine Chang sampled 108 albums released between January and March of 2007 to determine the impact of blog chatter on record sales. Using Amazon.com sales rankings, albums were tracked four weeks before and four weeks after release. Researchers found that when an album got mention in more than 40 legitimate blog posts, sales were three times the average. If those albums were associated with major labels, sales jumped five times the average. Albums that got more than 250 blog mentions saw sales increases of six times the average.”
Hollywood Reporter
So if anything they would make more $, they could also thank us for the free publicity as well, I mean 90% of us don’t get a red cent for posting anything on our blogs, we do it for the LOVE of the music, something that seems to be forgotten in all of this.
Anyway I’m over it, I’ve joked and made aggressive comments on my blog but at the end of the day, it’s them that have to realize that ultimately it’s the fans that help put food on their tables.
i understand his request….. and respect the man!!!
lets not forget this is hip hop .. we cant have all the work done for us…. we gotta go and find shit ourselves.. too
does anyone at least know where the samples that appear several times with a narrator saying things like “the villains themselves were responsible for much of the popularity, the audiences loved to hate” on the illest villians.. its driving me nuts cause i remember hearing that voice when i was a kid but can’t remember where
I know Im late but havent got around to post. first all as I type Im listening to madlib slims return but im indiffrent with this matter because madlib is one my favorite dj/producers
and he influnece some of my music intrest and the way I chop my samples and dig but when the story broke I was man this is kinda of bogus / when u have strong followin
that globals like his and when u pull this it like that smart kid in class that wont let u look on his paper. the fans and aspiring producers who follow your music in sense wont to know how your genius works and the only way is posting samples list and artist background not to mimic or infringe but ti appericate the talent and the keep aspiration breathing.
all of this anger is totally misguided i think. madlib is one of my favorite dj’s/producers, and I totally understand where he is coming from, it’s not anything negative to you the bloggers, or him trying to hold his techniques as most of us couldn’t flip those samples even knowing what they are into what he creates. His problem with the sample sets is that it creates a form for people to sue him because he doesn’t clear many of his samples. He uses them freely and layers lots of samples so when literally the list is out there, artists will coming at him with lawsuits and that is something that he probably wants to avoid…
I understand the clearing issue but how did this go so far without ONE artists hearing his/her stuff without saying hey that wasnt cleared by me Im not saying artist are just waiting around listening if someone sample their work. But the album was made. their was three singles release their was global praise from blogs and critic , reknowed magazines etc and madlib and stonethrow was like fuck it dont care if some my samples are cleared , oh well let put album out and bait ours selves to get sued lol.I not mad at madlib cuz he a genius so gets a pass ,but man just if your going sample you should do the legal shit so you put yourself in awakard situations
so called hip hop fans. bunch of lazy bums. if you wanna know where hip hop producers find their sources spend hours looking for and listening to old and odd records. use the internet if you want but when you find a sample discuss it with your circle if you want but don’t fucking put it on your lame ass blog so the world can see how “awesome” you are. and they say they love hip hop. attention-whores. foh
he wants them to take it down so he dont get sued duh