Joe Budden on Vibe’s Best Rapper Bracket [Video]

I’m not a big Joe Budden fan but after watching this I’d never support anything he makes or does anymore. Not because he diss Meth but because he said “Cowboy, I don’t even know who that is.” Pause. Epic fail. Really homey, you don’t know Cowboy. Will Smith and MC Hammer is wack? really. Here is some info from wikipedia since Buddens don’t know: Coinage of the term hip hop is often credited to Keith Cowboy, a rapper with Grandmaster Flash and The Furious Five.[4] Though Lovebug Starski, Keith Cowboy, and DJ Hollywood used the term when the music was still known as disco rap, it is believed that Cowboy created the term while teasing a friend who had just joined the U.S. Army, by scat singing the words “hip/hop/hip/hop” in a way that mimicked the rhythmic cadence of marching soldiers.[4] Cowboy later worked the “hip hop” cadence into a part of his stage performance, which was quickly copied by other artists; for example the opening of the song “Rapper’s Delight” by The Sugarhill Gang.[4] Former Black Spades gang member Afrika Bambaataa is credited with first using the term to describe the subculture that hip hop music belongs to, although it is also suggested that the term was originally derisively used against the new type of music.[5] The first use of the term in print was in the Village Voice[6] by Steven Hager, later author of a 1984 history of hip hop.[7] I always say i’m an old head when I post but I’m not that old. RIP Cowboy!!! WE WILL NOT FORGET YOU! HIP HOP LIVES

Hell yeah Method Man will eat u alive Joe Budden! He’s feeling himself a little too much, Padded Room was utterly horrendous, Self Titled LP was pretty dope.

lol he was almost about to talk shit about redman than hesitated im just glad he didnt go their cuz redman would take budden to the “slaughtahouse” and beat his ass.

ha..you guys already beat me on the whole “Cowboy” issue….weak. That list is ass cheeks though.

Lmao joe is my dude! method man tho… i think it would be closer than a 32-9 spread but i dont think joey better than him

I like Joe but love the panty raider better and i think he will reply to joe, well i hope so.
How cool would that be? Budden Vs Methical

Okay. Ya smart-dumb fucks talking about Joe does not who Cowboy is, but ya bitch asses probably went to Wikipedia before you started to type. People swear they have the knowledge of the world and quick to diss someone. The Meth like was a push but yo what has he done since the first Blackout CD? 4:21? Tical 0? Both lackuster. Check yourself.

Back on topic.

People are going to have their fuckin opinion about Joe. Okay. Whatever. But really?
Lloyd Banks is not on there. Lupe Fiasco is not on their. AZ is number 30?
MC Hammer, Will Smith and Missy Elliot are better “rappers”? Rick Ross better than Banks?
Fiasco or Budden? Fuck Juelz, Phonte of Little Brother, or Rah Digga not on there?
I am offended that Banks and Fiasco are not on there the most.
They spit and they got sales to back it up.
I am not a fan of Tony Yayo, but at least that nigga better than Bow Wow, MC Hammer, Will Smith, Project Pat and Cowboy

The think about this bracket is (and thats just the style of the bracket, nothing else), how to put Joe Budden against Rakim. He will take, like he said, a easy and quick “L”.
But there are matchups like Nelly vs. Mase or T.I vs. Big Gipp! Where a worse rapper than Joe Budden will make it to the second Round easily. I mean what kind of sense makes Freeway against Jay-Z? Freeway is one of the dopest Rappers nowadays. He can Freestyle and has a real good flow. But how can he win against a Legend like Jay-Z. Right, He can’t!!!
The official prove that they really just looking for the Matchups is that they put Rick Ross against 50 Cent. I mean wasn’t there a big Beef surrounding all other Blogs (Thanks Kev’ for not putting any attention to that BS). In my opinion that bracket is just stupid.

Freeway can only freestyle with a beat. Not to say thats a bad thing but just pointing it out, I mean anyone remember that years back when he was on some radio station and they wanted him to freestyle acapella but he kept insisting on a beat….hmm….suspect.

Blaze Burna has a good point about it being a “best EVER” list, but what people fail to realize is that it would be too complicated to construct that list, Too many greats. The whole Cowboy thing is funny cuz me being an avid lover/supporter of Hip-Hop since I can remember, I didnt know who he was either. “Blasphemy” ?

lol

Oh and that whole Meth vs Joe thing..I dont kno if its true about Meth but I dought it so Budden would get his ass handed to em..

First of all, I’ll start off by saying that I think Buddens has a great point about the whole overall Vibe bracket thing: IT’S WACK!!! I know who’s dope and who’s wack and I don’t need a damn tournament-style bracket to tell me that. He also makes another good point: who the fuck gets to make these lists and what kind of credentials do they have? And some of the people on the list ARE downright blasphemous (Plies, Juvenile, Project Pat, etc.). With that being said, I also think Joe is feeling himself a little too much on this one. Out of all the wack mothafuckas on this list, he picked Method Man to go at? What the fuck? Whether Method Man should actually be a number 9 seed in this so-called bracket is definitely questionable. However, there wouldn’t even be a Joe Budden if it wasn’t for Meth doing his thing when he did it. I understand his point that he thinks he’s a better RAPPER RIGHT NOW in 2009, than Meth is. Whether or not you agree with that is debatable but the fact of the matter is that Meth is a legend and he could have picked any number of wack mothafuckas with no track record to go at before picking on Meth. I like how Joell Ortiz backed off of those comments quick and made it known that those weren’t his feelings. He knows what’s up and knows it’s not a good idea to run around dissing legends. Oh, and anybody that says Meth don’t even right his own rhymes is out their damn mind! Lay off the ego, Joey!!!

Tical has classic albums? More than one? Really?! His debut is the closest to a classic, but is not one, let’s take it easy. I didn’t know who Cowboy is either, haha, guess I’m not a real hip-hop head, come on, not everybody is a hip-hop historian.

The only classic Meth was a part of was 36 Chambers, I’ll just leave it at that, and agree to disagree. I’m not defending Budden, the only shit I really bumped from him was Mood Muzik 2.

Co-sign discography comment by Deez. One of the criteria of whether someone is a Top 10/20 MC should be that you had atleast 1undeniable classic album “OB4CL, Illmatic, Infamous, etc.”

I think the most efficient way of determining a best rapper ever list would call for the writer to have heard every single song by each rapper on the list. is that going to happen? probably not. so when it comes to putting together such a touchy list, it should atleast make sense. like Joe Budden said, Vibe’s list is confusing as hell, it just doesn’t make sense

Tical isn’t classic? I think most head consider that a classic. Everything is debatable. Who makes the law on what are classics and what isn’t. It seems most people here think Tical is classic. How many emcee’s/groups have more than one classic. It’s not a lot. OB4CL is classic but FOR me his albums after that were terrible. So is Raekwon top 10/20 as mentioned in above post?? Not in mine. By the way Deez you make good points. Just want to say that. To Keezy I would like to know why you don’t consider Meth’s first album a classic. What were your issues with it?

I can agree that Meth’s first joint is a classic. But at the same time, Joey can in 2009 outrap Meth(whatever that means). If we talkin bout a battle, I think Joey would slay Meth, but then again, people thought Nas couldn’t battle, but then came the “Ether” That being said, the List is definitely wack, Joey’s catalog doesn’t warrant him being too much higher than he is at this point in his carreer. Minus 2 or 3 cuts, his self titled album would definitely be a lot better. Bottom line is, I agree with what Joe is saying, but he knows that rappers, including himself are really sensitive, so I wouldn’t be surprised if a lot of cats start comming at him over this. I know Meth would probably swing on him before he gets into a battle tho… LOL

All of ya’ll talking bout’ how not “knowing who Cowboy is hurts your credibility are bugging out. Nobody knows every single pioneer in Hip Hop history. I know my Hip Hop history but I didn’t know specifically who Cowboy was either. Obviouly I know who Grandmaster Flash and The Furious Five are tho.
Anyway, Joe Budden is pretty dead on. This list/bracket by Vibe is blasphemous! The who structure of it is wack. For example: The bracket has Joe Budden against Rakim in the 1st round. Now I don’t know how familar most of you are with Joe Budden’s music but if u are one who really listens to him you know that he is nothing short of a lyrical genius as is Rakim (duh). But Rakim is a pioneer of lyricism and legend so how the hell is it even fair to put Joe Budden up against him, knowing that nobody has the balls to even compare the two (just because of who Rakim is).
Joey is right, the person(s) who created the bracket has to take a hit to their credibility. How are we having a tournament of “The Best Rapper Ever,” and have such omissions as Joell Ortiz, Lupe Fiasco, Crooked I, or Royce. But we have Bow Wow and Will Smith. Its not that Bow Wow & Will Smith r on the list. Its the fact that a “Joell Ortiz or a Cassidy” isnt.

he thinks hes better than mef? he could have called out anyone else but method man and with such confidence?

Sean, Eminem goes up against the winner of the play-in bracket consisting of the likes of Blu, Drake, Wale, Kid Cudi, Charles Hamilton, and 3 others. That to me means he’s the overall number 1 seed! I don’t care that he won Best Rapper Alive last year. I can’t believe that, over 2pac, Biggie, Jay-Z, Nas, and Rakim? My whole beef with this list is that Lupe Fiasco is not even on it, but Bow Wow is, Plies, Nelly, MC Hammer, Will Smith, Project Pat, LMFAO GTFOH!!

joey was straight butt hurt dam!