Jozeemo Goes Off On Phonte and 9th Wonder…Explains Why They Are Fake In His Mind

by Jeremiah on September 30, 2011

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Yesterday, Jozeemo released a video for his single “Steam” along with a statement about how 9th Wonder and Phonte, his former label mates over at Hall Of Justus, are fake and are not loyal. I had the chance to catch up with Jozeemo to get a little more in depth about the situation that he is extremely passionate about.

Jeremiah: What’s going on my man? Saw you dropped a video yesterday for “Steam” off a new project.

Jozeemo: Yeah I dropped a little something something. It’s actually not off the new project…it’s just a single I dropped. The new project is actually called True Identity. It’s not out yet. I’m looking at the end of October maybe into November.

Jeremiah: I saw right after the video dropped, you made a statement about 9th Wonder and Phonte. Obviously you know them on a personal level because of Hall Of Justus. So what actually went down?

Jozeemo: It’s like this. I had my own movement going on and Little Brother and HOJ, reached out to me and wanted me to rock with them…wanted to show me the dough…wanted to sign me. Phonte and 9th were very instrumental in getting me to sign. Of course after I signed, the Little Brother thing fell apart — 9th left the group, Phonte says he was tired of rapping so he started doing Neo-Soul. You know, while they were beefing with each other and Phonte posted the video about 9th and how they hate each other, I was still cool with everybody cause once again, I wasn’t with them from the start. They reached out to me while it was in full stream. I had my own relationship with each one of them and it didn’t have anything to do with any of that other bullshit that was going on.

Anyway, so after they reached out to me and told me, “We think your dope, we think you got all this talent,” this, that and the third, they put me on the shelf. I [was] featured on two Little Brother albums, Getback and Leftback. Two songs–one per album and every time Little Brother did a show, they would never do my songs. They would never take me with them. I’m not saying that anyone owes me anything, but why even come to me and say you ride with me, you believe in me, you think I’m hot, and I’m dope and then when I get with you, you don’t want to do anything with me? 9th gave me a throwaway beat, everybody told me it was a throwaway beat. Khrysis told me it was a throwaway beat…all these people told me it was a throwaway beat. So the whole time they sucked me in. Then, while I was trying to get on my own feet, they cut my legs. That’s kind of the focus of what’s going on now.

I see Jamla making all these moves and what not, but really all they’re doing is supporting themselves. They want to say they support NC Hip Hop. I’ve been with these cats for a minute. I’ve been on tour with these niggas. I’ve been in the van. We’ve had conversations. I’ve been in niggas’ cribs. I’ve met their kids! So these aren’t the rants of a bitter ex-label mate. To this day, I don’t have no problems with those dudes and never would I discredit their music. I’m a fan of Phonte…I like some of 9th! I can never say that their music is wack. But them as people, the way that they just don’t care about nobody but themselves. And then [they] make it look like the faces of North Carolina Hip Hop is them…nobody else is dope in North Carolina. That’s how they carry themselves. Then, they want all the support in the world and I just feel like that’s wack so I’m gonna speak out. My personal point of view–everybody isn’t wack in North Carolina. Y’all ain’t the only niggas that can do it. Everybody got music, I got music, and there are plenty of artists I know that’s got music that’s dope. I just want to get it right and let niggas know from the inside….everybody’s scared to talk about it because it’s 9th Wonder and Phonte. If you spit your opinion about them and they’re not with it, they’ll make it so you can’t make any moves in this music. I really don’t care man. I’m a grown man so I’m gonna speak my mind just like ‘Te speak his mind, just like 9th speak his mind.

I’ve got personal beefs with these guys. Phonte called me about the group, then told everyone I called him trying to figure out where we stand. Then he said something like, “Last year, seven or eight months ago you sent me a text message that rubbed me the wrong way.” I’m like damn, if you my nigga, why didn’t you tell me then? He wait until everything all goes down, then tries to throw me in the mix with that shit. He was like, “Yeah, you know I’m gonna sever all ties with everything HOJ cause you did some underhanded, backstabbing shit.” I’m like what are you talking about dude? Talk to me,….I’m ya boy. He’s like, “Nah, I’m just gonna fall back.” Okay that was wack, but you’re a man, you can do what you want to do Phonte. Now 9th Wonder–we were at A3C in Atlanta last year and he was like, “Come holla at me…I want to holla at you.” He told me, “If you can get to California, I will put you on Murs’ album. That’s my word.” I said, “Alright.” I guess he thought I was a broke nigga or something, or I didn’t have any connections. I hopped a flight out to Cali, he and E. Jones came to the airport and picked me up, took me to the hotel. I went [to] Inglewood…Murs Studio and rocked…bodied the track. Then I come on home. This nigga had me come all the way to California and didn’t even have the nerve…the decency to pick up the phone and be like…. mind you the Murs album came out and I’d been telling everybody I’m on the Murs album… the album comes out and I’m not even mentioned. I’m like damn. I try him on the phone like, “What’s good?” I had my man call him like “Damn, that’s fucked up Jozeemo ain’t on the album and you had him come out to Cali.” 9th started getting defensive like, “Man I didn’t have anything to do with that shit. Murs only wanted West Coast cats on there.” I’m like “Damn, I’m your boy…why didn’t you call me and tell me I didn’t make the album?”

Every place I go, I hear people talking bad about 9th and Phonte and all this shit. I look at them niggas like y’all don’t know them guys, y’all don’t even got no claim. I know them and I know what they’ve done. Not that they’ve ever owed me anything. I don’t feel like they owe me anything, but why come at me like you want to help me then at the end of the day don’t? That shit is wack, and I’m like it can’t be. I see the posts on KevinNottingham — “Oh yeah Jozeemo’s wack, that’s why they didn’t want…” Yeah, yeah whatever, Little Brother asked me to be on not one but two albums…go ahead and check it. Dudes asked me to be on two albums. I can’t be all that wack if they wanted to work with me in the first place. But you know, after a while people change, and people’s ideas change. And I just do the music because I like to do it…I really don’t have to. I’m solidified, I’m good. In my personal life, I’ve got the piece of the American dream. I’m extra good and they know it, 9th know it. I don’t really need this music shit. I only do it because I want to see North Carolina as a whole shine. We have plenty of artists that just need the exposure and I’m not just talking about myself. There’s artists that’s way doper than me! When they drop their albums, there’s no National North Carolina Hip Hop Day. Where’s the love? That’s my point of view, you dig?

Jeremiah: I feel you. When you say nobody gets any shine……why would 9th have so many North Carolina artists on his album?

Jozeemo: Jamla has a group called Actual Proof. Act Proof. Are you familiar with Act Proof?

Jeremiah: Yeah, for sure.

Jozeemo: Okay, locally they’ve had four shows. Do you think Jamla was there to support them at those four shows? No, they weren’t. Act Proof was coming at someone who does publicist work like booking for me asking for help. They looked at Act Proof like…you’re with 9th Wonder? They’re like “We’re trying to work with other people.” I’ve talked to 9th. I’ve talked to him personally and I’m like, “Look man you claim you rock with me, what’s good?” He’s not any help…co-signs don’t mean anything. I mean, it’s all the business man. And instead of them niggas coming out and being like, Yo, we got the monopoly on the spotlight for North Carolina, we don’t want to share it. Say that, I respect that! But you didn’t need to even holler at me in the first place. I could have kept doing my Blockhuggerz thing.

Some people are going to say I’m just saying this to promote the album. Let me tell you something man. Let me make one thing crystal clear — I have never sold an album period. I was signed to HOJ in 2007, I dropped a wack album with them, and it was wack. I can say the album was wack! It was poorly put together, the beat selection wasn’t all that great. I mean, I’m not one of those dudes that stand on the soap box and toot my own horn because I know that I’m a realist, you feel me? So, I’ve never sold an album period so I don’t care about album sales. I don’t care about, “Oh he’s just saying this to get his project popping.” Not really, I do this for the love. I don’t have to make a living out of this like some people do because I’ve been blessed. I do it because I like to do it but still, if I have an opinion I’m going to speak it. Okay, some of the music is dope, a lot of it I like, but personally these niggas wack! Simple as that man, [it’s] simple as that. I feel like they don’t want anyone to outshine them. Once again, it’s not just me I’m talking about. I know mad people that are hot but when it comes to North Carolina Hip Hop, all you hear about is 9th and Phonte. That’s not North Carolina Hip Hop. I’m out here, I live here. That’s not what we’re about. That selfishness and being all about self, but then you always want somebody to retweet your shit and promote unity. There ain’t no unity. Then every time I say something wild on Twitter, he call me personally like,“Yo, you saying something about Khrysis man, you don’t need to be putting that out there.” Nah, he just want shit to look hunky doorey when it’s not! Man, nobody in North Carolina really fuck with them dudes man because of how they treat people. I’ll tell a motherfucker to their face! If you don’t know these guys and you’re just judging them off of passing them at a show or something, these guys are busy men; they don’t have time to be listening to everybody’s CD who wants to rap. I’m not saying that 9th has got some kind of duty to look out for us, so I’m not mad at that at all. I’m just saying y’all don’t support nobody but yourselves so stop thinking everybody is supposed to rally behind y’all and make this some kind of fucking movement. It’s not a movement when everybody ain’t moving.

 

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  4. Phonte Speaks On 9th Wonder
  5. Phonte Speaks On Little Brother/9th Wonder Situation

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  • Thcgeorge

    isn’t j cole from north carolina? supastition? petey freakin pablo? just sounds like a dude who hasn’t put in his OWN work. said it himself that he put out a crap album together but still expects to get treated a certain way. no comprende.

  • Thcgeorgeisa9thwonderasskisser

    You sound like you was hired buy the PTA! Reveal yourself?PETA BOY! This aint no movie! How many want to be involved?

  • neoSOUL

    Hy Jozeemo, i just read your critical opinion & your experiences with 9th and Phonte.Somewhat disappointing…  I think you got the  real voice, your flow is dope and for example well-fit to the beats producerd by Eric G. I think your are on fallow when your work, and not make tapes with dudes like him. Anywhay what is the situation with Rapper Big Pooh ? I can image a collaboration thing, two great voice…

  • Crownking7

    Its a lotta smoke and mirrors down here in the Carolinas real talk,i feel ya Jozeemo 1000%.Pac said”Its time to sperate the real from the fake”2012 N.C.Stand Up!!!1

  • EDC

    EAST DURHAM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! L.O.B! JOZEEMO is that DUDE! FUCK Little Brother!

  • It’s ME nigga

    As an artist actually signed to a label, you have no control on what they release. You give that control up once u sign a contract. Out of a catalog of 100 songs, the worst ones were picked to go on that album. You think I didn’t protest? But at the end of the day, that call is on the CEO. I simply played my position and stayed loyal. The good projects i did were never heard. Comprende now?

  • Random Guest

    Not many ppl know Jozeemo and those of us who do likely know him as a result of work he has done with LB.  We do not know what shit he feels shafted on or even view him as a person credible enough to launch credibility attacks on people we DO [feel] we know. It is in his best interest to just build on what he HAS because no matter how he frames it, any attacks he launches on more credible people look desperate and whiny.

    And this helps him how?  It is an emotional rant from a dude who appears too heavily dependent upon resources that aren’t working for him.  Now he is out here blasting people and fucking up potential opportunity to work with people who COULD help/ assist because now he’s looking like that dude who will “put folks on blast.”

    Music is a business.  Most businesses use you, and if you aren’t methodical about how to manage your brand, produce quality work, are receptive to feedback and come across as a whining needy brat (who repeatedly sends the message, “you hired me but you won’t help me.”) – you are gonna lose.

    Corporate works the same way.

    You mad – cool.  Address that with the appropriate party in the appropriate forum.  Take your stripes and move on.  

  • Jaccdfrost

    Speak the truth bruh. You know the situation .. Fuck what anybody say that dont. BHE BITCHES

  • Rippletoad

    Lol @ people who still use the words “real” and “fake”

    nice interview, though

  • Marqeemoore2k

    Wow, sad but true words spoken! This is why NC cant shine, and artist leave the nest to find better homes. Do your thing Yo and leave the other BS behind! It’s just a matter of time before tables turn on a lot of these dudes who look at themselves as God’s of NC when it comes to music!

  • http://KevinNottingham.com Justin Ivey

    Here’s my two cents and full disclosure – I’m a fan of 9th & Phonte and I’m one the people who think Jozeemo is wack. That has absolutely nothing to do with who they are as a person or their attitude though. Jozeemo seems like an honest dude and he’s probably telling the truth on a lot of this (at least from his point of view). But the problem I see with this is, there seems to be contradictions on a lot of what he’s complaining about.

    Phonte & 9th may very well be arrogant and hogging the spotlight, but A LOT of top artists are that way if you think about it. Although he doesn’t admit it, Jozeemo is very bitter. You can see that in the responses. When you keep saying, “I’m not mad!” and all that, then proceed to rip the guys…. YOU ARE MAD. And he may be justifiably mad, but why try to put on this front that you aren’t? It’s the same way he keeps talking about how he doesn’t need music. Well if that’s true, all this should be beneath you (and why are you rapping anyway? That’s another story I guess lol).

    Now the main thing he’s at issue with is Phonte & 9th not legitimately supporting North Carolina. But this is what doesn’t make sense to me. At least on the outside, it appears they’ve done just that… a lot. Now obviously I’m not in NC and will never know the inner workings like someone that is a part of the scene does. But the NC scene on a national level was non existant you know besides Yaggfu Front from the 90s and Petey Pablo lol before LB. Without 9th & Phonte, we wouldn’t know about — Median, Joe Scudda, Edgar Allen Floe, LEGACY, The Away Team, Kaze, K-Hill, Cesar Comanche….. And we never would’ve known Jozeemo until LB put him on the album. LB collabed with Supastition, the best emcee in NC imo, too. Who knows how many fans his guest appearances on their tapes might’ve got him. Maybe these guys were known IN NORTH CAROLINA, but not outside.

    And maybe Jozeemo feels they no longer support, but that doesn’t make sense to me either. Well why did Median’s new album get released as a joint venture between Jamla & FE Music? Hell, the whole Jamla label is practically North Carolina. We wouldn’t know Thee Tom Hardy or Big Remo without 9th. He signed Kooley High’s Rapsody as a solo act.

    I mean they can’t put EVERYBODY on themselves. I can only speak on the national perspective. As a guy in Louisiana, this is how it appears. But like I said, I don’t think that Jozeemo’s lying or doing this for the wrong reasons at all. It’s just this only one side of this story, we haven’t got the other, and the truth usually lies somewhere in the middle.

  • Thcgeorge

    1. I don’t recall mentioning 9th. I don’t know how the PTA is involved. Or PETA. Or a movie? so um moving on.
    2. I’m not making any assumptions, I’m not from NC I don’t know any “backstories”. Just going by this interview. I do know how this business works though.YOU gave up control. YOU signed that contract. YOU played your position. YOU could have took control of your own destiny but didn’t. And now you’re here. At the end of the day, it’s on YOU fam. Like “Random Guest” said, this a business.

    If anything, this should be a wake up call for you to make your own moves and take CONTROL.

  • moses

    Hi Jozeemo I feel what your saying I have been a HOJ fan for almost 10 years and I think the way it was handled was a bit of a joke there was so much talent that got wasted or ignored (Chaundon joe scudda, tanya morgan, k hill, median). I think that you guys could have been the next rocafella or aftermath but because of peoples egos they fucked up a great thing. I do not think your bitter your just telling it how it is, anyway just work hard work with as many good artists and producers and you will get some shine

  • Rossericbur

    i know phonte and 9th settled their beef, but does rapper pooh have beef with phonte now as well?  i follow both of them on twitter & neither of them acknowledge what the other is doing. for example, when phonte’s album dropped pooh didnt drop any tags on it & when pooh mentioned the release of his new album phonte didnt comment on it either.  as far as the rest of the HOJ, joe scudda neva got his album, legacy kinda fell on the back burner, cesar comanche is m.i.a. also. it really is ashame but the music business is tough.  i love 9th & phonte’s new albums but imagine if the rest of the HOJ were right there with them.  act prrof is pretty good.  the soul council’s best producers are 9th, Khyrsis, & Eric G.  Amp is not bad but sounds wayyy too much like his idol dj premier.

  • Negro in the Know

    Jozeemo started dealing with HOJ around the time that Little Brother were split but hadnt made it official yet. If anyone in Raleigh-Durham NC knows, Jozeemo is a notorious street dude in East Durham (see “Welcome to Durham” dvd). He already had a serious following out there before he joined HOJ. I think they brought him on board in order to gain some street cred when they were fighting the whole backpacker image. Minus maybe one or two dudes, they weren’t known as street dudes. Plus there was an incident (hardly spoken about) where somebody pulled out a gun on 9th Wonder over his bad business (selling beats twice, etc). I agree that Phonte and 9th don’t owe him anything but there have been too many artists that 9th has made promises to with no intentions on ever helping them. Eventually it WILL come back to bite you. Plus the super egos don’t help the situation. 

    There is and has always been alot of internal beef going on in the Justus League camp but it’s been kept quiet for the most part. Now that people have fell out, there is no filter on people’s opinions anymore. You are going to hear alot of talk (why Pooh isn’t mentioned anymore, why Khrysis later went with 9th, what happened with Legacy). The talent cannot be denied but shrewd business dealings with catch up with you eventually. It’s a shame what success has done to some musically talented brothers. I hope that they can all hash out this foolishness like some grown men. Don’t expect to hear any slick comments from 9th or Phonte about Jozeemo because they know he’ll handle it asap. The best option for them is to let this pass and pretend it never happened. 

  • Rainmain

    9th and them was messing with this ill emcee from Maryland named Misfit or Seneca and he was dope, word is they did the same to him too. They got great emcee’s and dont want know one to out shine them.  

  • junMaf*ckn

    I wanna hear what Rapper Pooh got to say. Jozeemo is dope tho. Homie got flows and his records got personality.

  • InsideNCHipHop

    Because you’re not in NC, you dont know the inner workings. When an MC starts building a major buzz, 9th jumps on them to check them out, if they are hotter then his crew, he ignores them (I’ve heard this from many DOPE!! MCs here) If someone from NC is being looked at by a label or major industry person, its 9th they usually call, he’s stopped many deals from going thru, and tried to on others. If you repping your state, rep the entire state!! Admit that there is major talent here, beyond the Justus League walls. Unfortunately, 9th is the “face of NC Hip Hop” so people give him the power in saying “I f*ck with them, I dont f*ck with them, I dont know them” But Jozeemo had music and credibility BEFORE he signed with HOJ. and when he started to outshine folks, they pushed him to the side. Hi music catalogue is immense and he’s one of very few MCs around here that can and will pack a place out with fans. His team is the streets and they got his back…Regardless of labels, he’s already shining here, and has a fan base outside of NC. His talent is undeniable but his truth on how things happen around here, has been festering in many other artists chests for a long time, Jozeemo just happened to become the voice of all of them.

  • Iamkobe03

    U sound like a 9th wonder dick rider

  • Iamkobe03

    Yeah Justin shut the fuck up causeu don’t knowvwhat the fucknu talking about get 9 th dick out ya mouth

  • A-dj-in-nc

    From a DJ in NC that knows all of the parties…this is pretty much the truth…if you don’t know all of the parties or not within the NC Hip-Hop scene, you will probably side with 9th and LB as you are fans of them.  That is natural and is nothing wrong with that.  I am not even a super fan of Jozeemo.  I prefer LB “style” more, but Jozeemo had/has his own following in NC before HOJ approached him.  It was more street and different from them, but a real following.    If it was 1 or  2 NC artists that was saying this, it would be one thing but there are A LOT of artists who feel that way.  The artists don’t believe that they deserve anything special but we looked for them to do what they said they were going to do when they were coming up and what other areas needed to blow up.  The artist that make it has to reach back and make sure that bridge is open so that the rest of the talent has an avenue to shine.  In hip-hop you all know that it take more than talent to make it  and most A&R’s don’t know talent from there ass.  NC artist championed them to make it as they were fans but also so that the labels would look at this market to sign other artists.  In other markets, the first one to make it reached back and it blew their market up. (Houston, Atlanta, Chicago, Florida, etc)  Unfortunately, they did what every other NC artist that got any kind of buzz or success.  Closed the door behind them. (Which btw, they have every right to do but don’t get mad when u get the negative backlash.)

  • GUEST

    9th is not a supporter. of NC or many other things…

  • GUEST

    “But there have been too many artists that 9th has made promises to with no intentions on ever helping them”

    it is not just artists. look deeper~

  • http://www.facebook.com/tonyblandisbetterthanyou Tony Bland

    Butt-hurt. 9th’s antics are definitely questionable, but at the end of the day, an artist HAS to be held accountable for their careers. Furthermore, I’m not so sure what makes people “in the know” think this situation is so unique to NC. Michigan, NY, Cali, etc. have ALL had artists whom have persevered through myriad unfulfilled promises, being shelved, secretly pulled from tracks, etc. There’s nothing wrong with being boisterous, but this sounds like whining to me, and the glaring contradictions don’t help. In the same interview, Jozeemo both complained and bragged about being on two LB tracks. You have to be more methodical when you’re exposing the truth. The best example I can give is how Elzhi handled the SV situation. He was obviously bamboozled on multiple tiers, but when he went public with it, he was cognizant to deliver his qualms in a way that didn’t seem desperate, and overly dependent on the next man. I can’t objectively consume this information because it’s saturated in emotions. 

  • GUEST

    I understand your position. but emotions are what make us finally take action to address when we feel we have been wronged. sometimes being methodical can also hurt innocent people that should not be involved. just my two cents

  • http://www.facebook.com/tonyblandisbetterthanyou Tony Bland

    I appreciate the intelligent response. I thought I was going to get wrecked on here. It will be interesting to see how this plays out. I’m not going to lie, I was shocked to hear a lot of this stuff. For instance, I’m a HUGE Act Proof fan, and it’s crazy to hear they don’t have the full support of the label. I played into the facade of 9th really trying to put NC (as a state) on the map. 

  • GUEST

    yea… it will be interesting to see. I have seen more than one interview this week about 9th. different people, same story. hmmmm

  • GUEST

    http://vimeo.com/30271676. Check this one out, too…wild, right?

  • http://www.facebook.com/tonyblandisbetterthanyou Tony Bland

    Yeah, I saw that one too. I was like wow. Somebody is going to hurt that dude if he doesn’t tighten up. Its unfortunate that it has to come to that, but you can’t pull that on everyone. I guess what I need to realize is that this isn’t just business or ‘the belly of the beast’. They personally know this cat. 

  • GUEST

    EXACTLY!!!! this is obviously just his character from things I am seeing and have heard

  • http://twitter.com/aboynamedandy Andy Bustard

    I had the pleasure of interviewing Rapsody a few months back. And the view of 9th I got from her is that he is a supportive dude. He understands both the business side of things, and is dedicated to producing and nurturing real, honest music. It sounds like he’s almost a father figure to these young NC cats. I mean, think how much talent he has put on…

    I’m not discrediting Jozeemo’s story. He may well be right about everything he said. But maybe it’s time to move on. What we all picked up was that you don’t see music as your living (or at least you don’t make a living from it.) So why the fuck you here making a fuss?

  • GUEST

     because eventually people get tired of the same cats treating people wrong in the dark and then claiming to always be the “good guy” when the light is shining on them.

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